CCP seem to appropriately be more concerned with money velocity than absolute values. Also, we don't have an important number: how much of those 30T end up segregated or abandoned (due i.e. to players turnover)? Without those informations it's not possible to balance inflow and outflow.

I didn't see Alliance fee's in the list. Should be a substantial amount

Also: Is there a realistic summary/equation that sums up the net results of ship losses in EVE?

And Last: Some peoples goal in ANY game, is to hoard ISK. This would be funds that never really affect markets or economies. I would think at some point, these same players will find a 'comfort zone' and quit generating ISK altogether. But really, my point is, does stale ISK (ISK in some random wallet) really hurt anything?

When you lose a ship you wil have to buy a new one thus giving isk to manufacturers, explorers and whatnot so you will just transfer part of your isk to those people while CCP will only take a marginal cut from taxes.

Sorry to say it bluntly but i don't think you understand what this is about.

If your Hulk gets destroyed you will lose an asset, you will lose something valuable but the game will not see any isk being removed from that loss. Thus it's not an isk sink... The discussion here is not about if this loss matters to you will if you will have to grind isk a bit longer but if this loss will mitigate the creation of isk or will tend to reduce the inflation. In both cases it won't.

can someone help me here ? lol

There is no difference to the amount of isk in the game in those two, outside of the insurance payout you receive.

It's the difference between dropping a $1 apple down a garbage disposal, and setting fire to a one dollar bill. Just because you can go to a grocery store and exchange them doesn't mean the two are the same.

Yes it is

Bedtime for me. Great discussion. NN all.

Short answer no.

As with the situation where a ship is destroyed when someone buys a plex with real money then sells it there is no real change in the amount of isk in game - the person who sold the plex personally has gained (say) 560 million isk however at the same time the person who bought that plex has lost 560 million.

There is in fact a very minor decrease in total isk in game due to market fees.

Kithran

Nope. Because you called it a faucet.

Perhaps clones need to have an increase in price?

I would pay ISK (and to a certain degree real money) for a NPC service that moves all of my assets that are scattered throughout eve to one location.

Perhaps another is for people who rat in high sec mission or incursion that activity is only available if you are part of a NPC corp?

The act of JC-ing to have a cost?

It is NOT a faucet.

Your friend got the 15 Bil from selling PLEX. That isk came from players who bought those PLEX. The isk was not created out of thin air. It was already in the game. it just changed hands. Had he payed CCP and magically had the isk appear in his wallet then it would be an isk faucet. But he did not recieve isk, he received items he sold for isk. That isk was already in the game, just in someone else's wallet. Neither is PLEX an isk sink as when it is used, it is the item removed from the game. The isk just changes hand between the player buying the PLEX and the player selling the PLEX. If the PLEX was converted to AURUM it would be an AURUM faucet, but still not an isk faucet as it does not affect the total amount of isk in game. only whose pocket that isk is in.

Isk sinks and Facets has nothing to do with what character holds the isk. Or how much isk changes hands. It is a change in the total amount of isk in circulation within the in game economy.

A faucet is new isk coming into the game that previously did not exist. for example, bounties when you kill an NPC. or isk payouts for mission rewards. Basically any isk recieved by a player that did not come from another player. that isk is new, not just new to your character, but newly generated in the game. it did not come from another buying goods from you. it was created from nothing.

A sink is existing isk in the game being removed. having to buy a new ship is not an isk sink, as that isk does not leave the game, it goes to who ever you bought the ship off of. When a ship gets destroyed is it an isk sink? No, Why? Even if the total isk value of the items destroyed is greater than the value of the dropped loot plus the insurance payout. It would seem like an isk sink, but really no isk was actually removed from the game.

The minerals used to build that ship and its modules were removed from the game, but no isk. For example a battleship fully fitted is worth say 1 biliion isk. It gets destroyed, it drops 500M worth of loot, and the insurance payout is 200M. The owner of the ship lost 1 billion minus the 200M insurance so 800M. but the value lost was only 300M as 500M worth of loot dropped. The loot dropped belongs to someone else, but its value is still retained in the game. It would seem that this would be a 300M isk sink, but really it was minerals destroyed not isk, minerals mined by someone, and sold for isk. The isk payed for those minerals is still in the game.

Since minerals are constantly regenerated through re-spawning asteroid belts no actual isk was lost. So even though the owner of the ship lost 800M worth of assets, and 300M of assets were destroyed with no compensation, no actual isk was removed from the game as the isk used to purchase the ship and all its fittings went into the hands of another player. Had the ship been bought from an NPC then its total value would have been an isk sink. But since the isk stayed in the game going into the hands of the seller of the ship, no actual isk left the game when the ship was destroyed, so the actual sink is zero.

The only true isk sinks are when isk is given to an NPC. Sure there are often items brought into the game but the isk does not simply change hands it is removed. For example when you buy a skill book for 500M the isk you spent goes to the NPC and is removed from the game. You can then sell that skill book possibly for more than you paid for it, 550M, but that isk is just changing hands. You are left with a net gain of 50M but the 500M you paid is still gone from the game. The 550M you got was just isk changing hands from another player within the game. The game as a whole had a net loss of 500M isk when that skillbook was purchased from the NPC.

Bounties and mission payouts generate isk from nothing, while activities such as running wormhole sites do not generate isk. You may thing, wait, running wormhole sites makes more isk than missions or ratting. How can it not be a faucet? Well, sleepers in wormhole sites do not pay bounties they drop items, those items, such as nano ribbons, are then sold to other players for isk. No new isk is generated, it is just existing isk changing hands. That is the difference. New isk being brought into the game generated from nothing is a faucet, while isk already in the game changing hands between players is not a faucet no matter how much isk changes hands. How much isk goes in and out of your character wallet makes no difference, it is how much isk goes in and out of the game without coming from or going to another player.

No, I'm a mechanical engineer and I understand this **** perfectly.
This is what happens when a ******* MORON debates with people who actually have a basic understanding of the game.

And they cost no ISK when purchased from any LP stores. So they have no ISK sinking effect.

To candy's question: if they cost more LP, they'd just rise in price until they reached a new isk/LP where they were worth selling. It wouldn't really have any major effect on other items like implants.

Whilst im all for making T2 BPO's identical in build cost to generating the same product from invention (including the invention costs) Ie add the ingredients required to invent to the BPO bill of materials.
Your proposal falls down at this point:

*12 Shiney Casings - (New NPC good Value appropriate (Say 13,000 isk), to cause no spike in Price)

Why would CCP who have been working hard to remove as many NPC items as possible to create a Player driven market suddenly decide to introduce an NPC item for no reason whats so ever. T2 BPO production costs can be increased with out the need to add a new NPC item.

Ink Sink... economy rage.. non monocle... using isk not plex

Had a good chuckle at this. I thought the economics majors would have been less uppity after 2008. At least when a mechanical engineer stuffs up all that Happens is the coal company gets 995TPH instead of 1000TPH

Well, there is the saying that civil engineers design the targets and mechanical engineers design the bombs.